That's Not How That Works

It’s the end of the fall 2020 season for That’s Not How That Works, so today we want to have a conversation about what we want to leave you with and what we hope you do from here. Listen in as we remind you what the hell this work is about in the first place (and what it ISN’T), what you can do to make sure you are moving the baton forward in this work, what you should do with those goal posts you’ve been setting, why you cannot center whiteness in any of this work and what you need to focus on centering instead. Find out how you can work with us: https://www.trudilebron.com/letswork https://www.accordingtoweeze.com/ Podia: https://accordingtoweeze.podia.com/weeze Revisit the summer syllabus: Foundational Episode 68 - The Basics: justice, equity, diversity & inclusion: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-68-the-basics-justice-equity-diversity-inclusion Episode 25 - Can White folks Experience Racism? (and how TNHTW almost got cancelled): https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep25 Episode 76 - Education vs. Action: Each plays a role in equity but only one creates change: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-76-education-vs-action-each-plays-a-role-in-equity-but-only-one-creates-change From Ally to Accomplice Episode 19 - Lets Cut the BS: From Ally to Accomplice: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-19-lets-cut-the-bullshit-from-ally-to-accomplice Episode 70 - Wait WTF…I can be down and still not be woke?: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/wait-wtfi-can-be-down-and-still-not-be-woke Episode 29 - When Glennon Doyle’s Attempt at Allyship Went Wrong: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep29 Whiteness Episode 37 - The Basics of White Centering: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep37 Episode 41 - Whitesplaining and Webster…A look at language: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep41 Episode 10 - Don’t Be A BBQ Becky: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-10-dont-be-a-bbq-becky Safety Episode 64 - Safe Space, a journey: the what, how & how not!: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-64-safe-space-a-journey-the-what-how-how-not Episode 46 - Do White Folks Deserve Safe Spaces?: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep46 Episode 60 - Byron Katie, The Fairy Godmother of Spiritual Bypassing: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-60-byron-katie-the-fairy-godmother-of-spiritual-bypassing Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

It’s story time! On today’s episode, we’re recounting a little scenario that happened recently in Trudi’s free private Facebook group that caused her to hit up Weeze on a weekend to discuss. Today we’re not only exploring non-disparage clauses in coaching contracts — what they are and why they are harmful — but also boundaries and consent, silencing and erasure, restorative justice and how to do it right, as well as what ACTUALLY happened in this thread in the Facebook group and what SHOULD have happened instead. This tale of Karen, Karen, and Karen is one you don’t want to miss.

Shit is about to get real, y’all. With everything going on lately — the new Supreme Court confirmation, yet ANOTHER Black man murdered by police, and the upcoming election to name a few — Trudi & Weeze are bringing you an old school throwback episode today. Listen in as we share what it’s like for us to be in the work that we do, the values we have, the ACTUAL goal of the work we do, and everything that’s on our minds, bodies, and souls right now. Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

So you’ve made a public statement that you’re behind the Black Lives Matter movement and committed to anti-racism. But what does it mean to make a commitment like this and be accountable to these commitments? On today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are exploring what accountability looks like (in a real way!), why it feels hard, and one of the MOST IMPORTANT things you can do to stay accountable. Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

You might be a white savior if… Seriously y’all… we get questions about this one on the daily. “Am I a white savior? What are people gonna think of me if I share online about the work I’m doing? How do I make sure I’m not crossing the line into white saviorism?” So on today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are sharing our FINAL ANSWER on this one. We’re exploring all about white saviorism: what it is, why it’s so dangerous, the difference between white identity and whiteness, and how to make sure you don’t show up in spaces as a white savior. For the full breakdown of white saviorism, go back and check out Episode 19: Let’s Cut the BS: From Ally to Accomplice - https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-19-lets-cut-the-bullshit-from-ally-to-accomplice Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

If you’re looking for a guide on how to be an anti-racist, Ibram Kendi’s book “How to Be an Anti-Racist” is NOT it, y’all. On today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are diving into this controversial book, why the title is problematic and not accurate, who this book is best for and what it REALLY is, what could have made it better, and what we recommend you read instead if you’re on your own journey towards anti-racism. Check out Ep. 25: Can White Folks Experience Racism? (and how TNHTW almost got cancelled) -- https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep25 Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

What do we mean when we say that white folks can’t be the poison AND the antidote? What’s the difference between DEI and anti-racism work anyway? If you want to know the answer to these questions and what you CAN do in the work as a white person without being harmful, you’re not gonna want to miss this episode! Today, Trudi & Weeze are answering these questions as well as exploring the white folks co-opting the movement, why we don’t do DEI work with clients before anti-racism work is done, and how BIPOC can continue to protect their peace and hold boundaries. Wanna go deeper? Go back and listen to these episodes for more: Ep. 19: Let’s Cut the BS - From Ally to Accomplice Ep. 68: The Basics - Justice, Equity, Diversity & Inclusion Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

We are 3 months now out of the “Great White Awakening” and it’s time for y’all to have a come to Beyoncé moment… Where do you fall in this movement? Why did we even have this “Great White Awakening” now of all times? Why was George Floyd the beginning of it and not Breonna Taylor or any of the other Black folx who have been murdered? On today’s episode, we’re exploring the co-occurring social crises that created the perfect storm for people to FINALLY wake up, the 3 types of folx we saw in the Great White Awakening, and why it isn’t actually in your business’s best interest to use this movement to start branding yourself as an “anti-racist or DEI expert.” Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

We’re back, y’all! A lot has happened in the world since our last podcast episode and we’re excited to be back to start breaking it all down over this season. On today’s episode, we’re diving into what we’ve been up to during the podcast break and exploring the recent resurgence of the civil rights movement, Weeze’s farewell to Facebook, the new “Great Awakening,” and why the transformational change you’re looking for can’t be done with a quick fix, DM, or one-off training! Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/thatsnothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

This is our last episode of the season! Trudi and Weeze will be back in September with all new podcast episodes but in the meantime they have set up a curriculum to go back and listen to some of the most influential episodes so far. These are for you whether you are a newcomer to the podcast or if you just need refreshers as you continue on their path to wokeness. These will work in conjunction with our newsletter (that you should sign up for!) and our Facebook page to continue the discussion as always. Our book club will also be reviewing two books a month so there is plenty of opportunity to learn and interact with us. Until then enjoy these episodes...ok byeeeeeee! Foundational Episode 68 - The Basics: justice, equity, diversity & inclusion: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-68-the-basics-justice-equity-diversity-inclusion Episode 25 - Can White folks Experience Racism? (and how TNHTW almost got cancelled): https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep25 Episode 76 - Education vs. Action: Each plays a role in equity but only one creates change: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-76-education-vs-action-each-plays-a-role-in-equity-but-only-one-creates-change From Ally to Accomplice Episode 19 - Lets Cut the BS: From Ally to Accomplice: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-19-lets-cut-the-bullshit-from-ally-to-accomplice Episode 70 - Wait WTF…I can be down and still not be woke?: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/wait-wtfi-can-be-down-and-still-not-be-woke Episode 29 - When Glennon Doyle’s Attempt at Allyship Went Wrong: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep29 Whiteness Episode 37 - The Basics of White Centering: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep37 Episode 41 - Whitesplaining and Webster…A look at language: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep41 Episode 10 - Don’t Be A BBQ Becky: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-10-dont-be-a-bbq-becky Safety Episode 64 - Safe Space, a journey: the what, how & how not!: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-64-safe-space-a-journey-the-what-how-how-not Episode 46 - Do White Folks Deserve Safe Spaces?: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep46 Episode 60 - Byron Katie, The Fairy Godmother of Spiritual Bypassing: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-60-byron-katie-the-fairy-godmother-of-spiritual-bypassing Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Have you ever seen a “Karen?” She’s the one who storms through the sliding doors with her apologetic husband in tow. Her short “power” haircut, oversized sunglasses and bratty kids let everyone know her entitled ass is getting whatever she wants. She yells and accuses everyone causing as much of a scene as possible, if provoked then she will unleash her final attack saying, “I want to speak to your manager!” This is a “Karen”... she’s not a new phenomenon but she can now be identified properly with the rise of social media. In this episode, Trudi & Weeze break down what being a Karen is and how whiteness plays a major role in being one. Listen in as we explore potential outcomes and how you can help combat all the Karening going on. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Privileged during the pandemic? It may not always feel that way, but many of us are in one way or another. What are you doing with it, though? In today’s episode, Trudi & Weeze are diving into what privilege IS, what it ISN’T, what choices you have during this time, and how you can use this time to rise while making sure others rise with you. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Hey y’all! We’re back and it feels so good! Have you heard people calling themselves “equity informed” or “justice informed?” On today’s episode Trudi & Weeze are gonna give it to ya straight about what those terms ACTUALLY mean, the questions you need to know to figure out if you or a coach you want to work with is truly helpful and not harmful, and some special news and events for y’all! Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/nothowthatworks Visit the site: https://www.nothowthatworks.com/ Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

It’s a whole new world out there right now amid the COVID-19 pandemic and with it comes a lot of questions and uncertainty. How do you handle the travel restrictions, event cancellations, and social distancing when it affects your bottom line? Is it even ethical to still sell to people right now? In today’s episode, Trudi & Weeze are exploring the effects of the pandemic here in the US, how to handle it responsibly, and tips to navigate this changing business landscape and keep your online business running as usual as possible. Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/nothowthatworks Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

What is International Women’s Day, really? Is it a day for all countries to celebrate women together? Or just a single day to raise up women of color? In today’s episode Trudi and Weeze are exploring this distinction as well as feminism, what it is and isn’t, the role whiteness has played in the feminist movement, and 4 ways you can do better to help support people of color. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

On today's spicy episode Trudi and Weeze are exploring education and action. In creating equitable change both are needed, but sometimes people can confuse the two. This distinction is the core of today’s episode. How does this show up in a professional setting? How do you identify where you are on the spectrum of education vs action? How do you properly support others if you are unable to be in a leadership role? How do you get educated and how do you get actionable? We’re exploring all of this and more in today's discussion. So relax...but also buckle up boo, ‘cause this episode is fire....Oh, and Joaquin Phoenix…. check it it! Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

On todays episode Trudi and Weeze are talking about…perfess…profesh….ahem….professionalism. Trudi and Weeze look at professionalism through the lens of an entrepreneurial or online business mindset. There is this notion that in order for us to become our most professional selves that we have to de-humanize ourselves, but there’s not some inverse relationship between being business-minded and being a human. People are capable of doing both and that is exactly what Trudi and Weeze explore for you today. How do you show up and create a sense of TRUE professionalism while maintaining your individualistic values? How do you need to show up and what to bring to the table in order to help re-establish what it means to be “professional”? Listen in to find out… Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Whether you love it or hate it, the recent SuperBowl and halftime show has got a lot of people up in arms. In this episode Trudi & Weeze are talking all about the halftime performance by J. Lo and Shakira and exploring the topic of duality to explain that it’s possible to both love and hate something at the same time… even the SuperBowl. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Today Trudi & Weeze are sharing their recent masterclass, So You Think You're Woke. We explore why personal development is a critical part of your leadership, the difference between equity and equality, and why it's so important for each of us to do our own work and begin working towards woke. The doors are now open for the next cohort of Working Towards Woke: https://www.nothowthatworks.com/workingtowardswoke Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Today we are joined by trauma healing expert Greg Wietling to continue our series on leadership. We explore creating safe spaces, white privilege, and the importance of understanding the relationship between personal trauma, leadership, and power dynamics. Connect with Greg: https://gregwieting.com Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

In this episode Trudi & Weeze are joined by Ruby Fremon, a transformational coach for today’s thought leaders, to discuss defining and redefining leadership. We explore leading with connection and integrity, empowering those you lead and conscious vs self-conscious leadership. Connect with Ruby: instagram.com/iamruby twitter.com/iamruby youtube.com/iamruby facebook.com/iamruby Via text: Text #POTENTTRUTH to 1-781-336-0160 Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Today Trudi & Weeze are joined by pussy based business coach Julia Wells, who shares her journey of coming to terms with her own white privilege and what it was like to do her work as part of the first cohort of Working Towards Woke. We also explore conscious leadership, leadership with an equity lens and doing better with your clients. Grab your spot for our FREE WORKSHOP, So You Think You’re Woke? January 28, 2020: https://www.nothowthatworks.com/workshop?fbclid=IwAR1yObvNHLooW4LHW9wxGxEZ0yHUt-rezcNnmuaYDMuTk2BQ0AQ4KIe7gQE Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Connect with Julia: Her free Facebook group, Visible AF: https://www.facebook.com/groups/VisibleAF/ On Instagram: https://instagram.com/juliamotherfuckingwells Her website: https://juliacwells.com Her podcast, Wait...WTF Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze are joined by professional ultrarunner, motivational speaker, author, and all around badass Mirna Valerio (aka “The Mirnavator”) who shares her experiences as a larger woman in a world of thinner athletes. Together we explore fat shaming, body positivity, and challenging the narratives and double standards around weight and athleticism. Connect with Mirna: https://www.instagram.com/themirnavator/ https://www.patreon.com/themirnavator https://themirnavator.com/ https://www.facebook.com/TheMirnavator/ You can buy a copy of Mirna’s recently published memoir, A Beautiful Work in Progress here: https://www.amzn.com/1503943399 Fearing the Black Body: The Racial Origins of Fat Phobia by Strings: https://amzn.com/1479886750 Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

We throw around a lot of words that can be misunderstood or misinterpreted. In this episode we’re unpacking words like diversity AND inclusion (DNI) and talking about what they were intended for vs. how they are misused. Hop over to episode 44 for all of the ways diversity and inclusion can have an impact. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Today Trudi & Weeze are doing a year end review. We explore the lessons we learned in 2019 as well as our words and themes of the year and big scary goals for 2020. Network & Spill episode: http://networkandspill.com/2019/09/strangerdanger-w-liberation-coach-louiza-weeze-doran/ Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Today Trudi and Weeze are talking about the now infamous and controversial Lizzo Lakers game twerking. In this episode we explore social contracts, making assumptions, internet backlash, and what the real conversation needs to be around Lizzo’s outfit and the game. The doors are now open for the next cohort of Working Towards Woke, starting January 2020: https://www.nothowthatworks.com/workingtowardswoke Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

In this 3rd installment of our series about how to do better, we are talking about accountability. We explore institutional, interpersonal, and community accountabilities — especially as it pertains to the coaching industry — the lack of a standardized code of ethics for coaches, and what coaching certifications really mean (or don’t mean!) The doors are now open for the next cohort of Working Towards Woke, starting January 2020: https://www.nothowthatworks.com/workingtowardswoke Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

In today’s episode, Trudi & Weeze are revisiting the topic of safe space. We explore safe space in general, what that actually looks like, how to create a safe space in your coaching program or group, and why having a group for white folks only to go through Working Towards Woke actually provides a safe space for both them and folks of color. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

In this episode, we’re diving into a theme we’ve noticed in the nature of business practice in the coaching industry. We’re exploring how business coaching is often actually profit coaching and has lost the client care focus, all the ways that this is a problem, and the red flags you should run from before hiring a service provider practicing this way. The doors are now open for the next cohort of Working Towards Woke, starting January 2020: https://www.nothowthatworks.com/workingtowardswoke Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworkspodcast Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

In this episode, Kamora Herrington joins us to discuss gender identity and exclusivity, language policing, gender norms, and to explore how White European standards influence the way we coach and mentor Black and Brown clients. Help Kamora create Individual and Community Liberation: https://www.patreon.com/KCC1023 Follow Kamora on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kamorasculturalcorner/ Follow Kamora on Instagram: https://instagram.com/kammielee Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworkspodcast Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Are you singing yet? This is an exploration of what our online community and behavior say about us. We’re discussing social media and how it is used as a tool — specifically as it relates to activism, social justice, and equity — and how it can be used as a tool for dehumanization and oppression. Please join us in the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworkspodcast Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze discuss the coaching ideologies of “spiritual teachers and leaders” like Byron Katie. We explore how harmful new aged spiritual white women can be when coaching from a belief system that places the burden of oppression on the oppressed, like Byron Katie’s “work” does. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworkspodcast Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze dive into the terms “niceness” and “kindness” — specifically how they relate to white women. We explore Ellen DeGenerous’s recent response to being friends with George W. Bush, what she’s really saying by “be kind to one another,” and when “kindness” is a cop out. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworkspodcast Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

In this episode, Trudi and Weeze explore workplace hazards that can be encountered by entrepreneurs — especially those working around diversity and inclusion — and how to mitigate them. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworkspodcast Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze are joined by the founder of Wild Soul Movement™ Elizabeth DiAlto who shares her story of enlightenment. We explore authenticity and euro-centrism in the fitness industry and spiritual space, and well as aligning your business with your values and integrity. Connect with Elizabeth: https://instagram.com/elizabethdialto https://wildsoulmovement.com/ Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworkspodcast Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

In this episode Trudi & Weeze are joined by thought leader, yoga teacher, and holistic health coach, Koya Webb, to talk about how yoga has changed her life, reducing our harm footprint, and being love. Connect with Koya on Instagram at https://instagram.com/koyawebb or at her website, https://koyawebb.com Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworkspodcast Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

This bonus episode is TOTALLY Off the Cuff, and Uncut because we should be focused on our relaunch and are supposed to be on hiatus. However, we've been asked for a formal response to the Chelsea Handler Netflix Special, "Hello, Privilege, it's me, Chelsea" and we have a LOT to say.

We have a special announcement... well, a few actually. In this episode, we announce our plans for a podcast upgrade, some new projects we're working on and how YOU can be involved. Join the relaunch team at: www.nothowthatworks.com/relaunch

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze explore the overwhelming, and quite disturbing, response to the news that the new live-action movie The Little Mermaid would feature a Young Black Woman in its leading role of Ariel. We will explore the problems with the response, explore what we should actually be talking about, and reiterate that Mermaids are in fact Fictional. Please join us in the Facebook Group to continue the conversation with us: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworks

In this episode, Sonali Fiske joins us to talk about what happens when White folks invite BIPOC into spaces without intentional and explicit plans to create equity, authentic diversity, and inclusion. We also have a GoT Easter Egg for you. We hope some of you are fans! Remember to join the conversation in the FB Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworks

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze welcome Justin Livingston who shares about his own journey as a white man to understanding race, diversity, equity, and how it shows up (or doesn't) in the coaching and transformational development industry, and what he sees as his role is the work. You can continue the conversation with us in the FB Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworks You can also find our FREE masterclass at: www.nothowthatworks.com/freemasterclass

It's our Anniversary! That's Not How That Works is officially 1 year old. On June 13th, 2018 Weeze and Trudi dropped the first episode of TNHTW. In this celebratory episode, Weeze & Trudi and interviewed by Sonali Fiske and share more about the show's history, what it's like to release the weekly show, how they make it work in their lives, and where things might be headed. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworkspodcast

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze check in to kick off the celebration of their one year anniversary of the That's Not How That Works podcast and other important podcast milestones. We also take the opportunity to debrief how we're feeling about all of the news related to travel in the Dominican Republic and the Netflix miniseries "When They See Us". Make sure you follow us all week for Anniversary celebrations on Instagram @trudilebron and @accordingtoweezus and in the Facebook Group at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworks You can sign up for our Masterclass From Ally to Accomplice at: www.nothowthatworks.com/freemasterclass

In this episode, Trudi and Weeze do a deep dive into the issue of the release of Tony Robbins repeated use of the N-word during an event 20+ years ago. We look a few issues with the video including the use of the n-word as a "therapeutic" coaching tactic, cultural competency of coaching, and why this even matters all these years later. You can see the Medium article referenced in the show here: https://medium.com/p/tony-robbins-cognitive-dissonance-751095390cd?source=email-ff1181a0412a--writer.postDistributed&sk=1a58db9836d04ed88ad621f5f04f9271 Join us in the Facebook Group to continue the conversation here:https://www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworks

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi discuss internships, modern advice on how to score dream jobs and how that intersects with economic and work equity. Let's do better y'all. Join the conversation on FB at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworks

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze celebrate 1 year of podcasting and the completion of the first-ever cohort of Working Towards Woke! We discuss our key takeaways for that experience which leads us to a very important question in our work and our field. Do White people deserve safe spaces when it comes to their journey towards woke-ness and accompliceship? Listen to the episode to find out what we think about this.

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze are joined by creative business coach and overall badass, Shereen Sun who shares a story about how (not to) handle being called in. Blocking on Social Media is definitely a way for us to protect our peace but it also has become a tool of oppression and marginalization. In this episode, we explore how this happens and imagine alternative ways to respond to being called in. Remember to join the conversation in the FB Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/

In this episode, Weeze & Trudi welcome Daniel Holley, co-host of the Purpose Roundtable and friend of the show, to talk about his approach to diversity, equity, and inclusion work. Dan's goal is to focus on the overarching goal of DEI work which he believes is Social Cohesion. Remember to continue the conversation with us in the Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze welcome Susanna Barkataki to provide some insight about the cultural appropriation of yoga. Trudi & Weeze also get schooled on what yoga actually is (you don't go to yoga, y'all), and what it's not. We also explore this White Women only Yoga situation on meetup.com and talk about why its soooooo out of line. Remember to join us in the Facebook groups here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/nothowthatworks And you can find more about the "Honor {Don't Appropriate} Yoga summit here: https://honordontappropriateyoga.com/

In this episode, we are joined by Ebonie Golbourne to discuss cancel culture. There have been lots of canceling happening: Rosanne, Virginia Gov., multiple major fashion houses, and more. We are going to dig into why folks are being canceled if we should be canceling folks, and who when we should give people a break. Spoiler Alert: We are not giving a lot of breaks in this episode. Join us in the FB group to join the conversation: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworks

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi talk about whitesplaining and Webster (as in Webster's dictionary). We explain what whitesplaining is, how to recognize it and ask that folks stop doing it. We also explore the epidemic of people using Webster's dictionary to understand complex, nuanced, social problems we are facing. Remember to join us in the Facebook group to continue the discussion: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853

In this episode, Trudi and Weeze are joined by Matthew Solomon, creator, and author of Man School. Matthew teaches men how to be less toxic and more of an Accomplice and we discuss if Masculinity can be separated from the toxic masculinity and misogynistic culture we all know so well. Join the discussion for this episode on the Facebook group at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/about/

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi explore how to screen your coaches for their stance on diversity, equity, and inclusion in their work. If diversity, equity, inclusion, and anti-racism is something you're taking on in your life, you should be making sure that the folks you hire to support you are also on this journey. You can see the LIVE Expanded version of the episode in the Facebook group here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/

Our first LIVE episode, y'all! On this episode, we process a FB live that Weeze and Trudi were tagged into online to provide insight and feedback. What we found was a hot mess of performative allyship, racism, and recklessness. In this LIVE episode we process the core parts of the video, how the two co-hosts of the original video were NOT providing a safe space for their community.

Happy New Year Everyone! In this episode, Trudi & Weeze dive into the topic of White Centering. We explore mainstream and marginalized identities, give examples of how much of the world we live in is basically a world that centers whiteness. If you're a fan of the show join us in the Facebook Group here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/

In the FINAL episode of the year, Trudi & Weeze thank the listeners for being a part of the That's Not How That Works community. We also share our favorite episodes and give you a sneak peek about what's up ahead! Here's a link to the Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/about/ Join us and let us know what episodes you like, and what you'd like to see and hear more of.

In this episode Weeze recounts the story of what happened when she met W. Kamau Bell in The Bay recently. Now, if you're a fan of the show, you know that this is HUGE. We've talked about wanting to "manifest" him... and although our ultimate dream is for him to come on our show, we'll settle for bumping into him on the street (for now anyway :) We also share our manifestation list with you in case you happen to be one of our well connected listeners. We love and appreciate you! Here's the link to the Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/about/

In this episode Trudi & Weeze share the story about what happened on Trudi's recent trip to Oakland. Let me give you a hint... #racistbrunch! Alas... this episode ends with a surprising twist so stay tuned in to hear exactly what should happen when these unfortunate, yet all too common, events take place. Here's the link to our Facebook group so you can join the conversation: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/about/

In this episode Weeze & Trudi answer questions from the TNHTW's Facebook Groups including How can I be more confident when discussing equity and diversity issues? Are the roles of Ally and Accomplice only for White folks or can PoC be Accomplices? How can I have more diversity in my coaching practice? Let us know what you think AND keep your questions coming. You can email us at hello@nothowthatworks or you can post questions in the Facebook group. Join the group here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/about/

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi discuss their confusion and frustration with the call out culture by white folks at other white folks (can someone explain it to us?). It all looks like a competition to be the "woke-est"... hence, The Woke Olympics. Weeze and Trudi also pose an alternative approach that we think would be more effective in moving folks toward being an accomplice. As noted in the show, here is the link to register for the From Ally to Accomplice webinar: https://nothowthatworks.com/allytoaccomplice And as always join us in the Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi get SUPER REAL about decisions regarding how they felt about a statement made during episode 30. It is a PERFECT example of how this work (Diversity, Equity, Anti-Racism, Liberation Work) requires that we be humble, open, transparent and willing to make mistakes. We also believe that this shows our commitment to our listeners. We want you to know that we aren't perfect and that we want to hold ourselves accountable and that Wokeness isn't a fixed state of being, rather a process, an action, and a commitment that we take very seriously. To join our FREE Webinar, From Ally to Accomplice, Dec. 5th 2018, register here: nothowthatworks.com/allytoaccomplice And as always, join the facebook group here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853

In this episode Weeze and Trudi talk with Joey Chandler who admits to being the epitome of privilege... he's a White, Straight, Cis, Male that came to the realization that men have a role in dismantling white supremacy. We talk to him about his own journey, his mistakes, and where he his today so that we can learn how to bring more men into this process. We also take a moment to celebrate the AMAZING mid-term election results and recognize so many "firsts" in office. Join the community online: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze break down a real-life example of what happens when a White Ally tries to do something to raise awareness about racial justice but instead just centers whiteness. Hear a breakdown of what happened online that caused many racial justice educators to step in and call out problematic behaviors and understand why Glennon Doyle rightfully decided to cancel her webinar about Race in America. Remember to check us out in the Facebook group to join the conversation: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/

In this episode, Weeze shares an experience that she had recently in a coaching program. Although you'll hear the details of what happened we ask you to zoom out and think about the broader lessons here. Consider: How should we respond when someone tells us we have hurt or offended them? If we are on a journey to "do better", how can we engage in uncomfortable discourse when the impact of our words is different from your intent? How do we further the erasure of dismissal of marginalized communities? If you want to create a diverse community in your business, this episode is a must. We invite you to engage with us more on Facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/about/

In this episode, we share the tale of what happened when Weeze came to Hartford, CT! What started out as a regular work trip, turned into an amazing story of accomplice-ship. Special Shout out to Bryce, and the crew at Wood & Tap in Hartford! Good job doing better! Remember to join us on FB to keep the conversation going: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/about/

In this episode, Trudi and Weeze discuss one of THE MOST POPULAR questions they get. Should I offer scholarships for my coaching program? We will get into the What, Why and How of scholarships and we'll also talk about the WRONG reasons to be offering scholarships. As always, we'd love to know what you think. Join us over in the Facebook group for more conversations. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/about/

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi provide their definitive, unequivocal answer to the questions: Can people of color be racist? Can white folks experience racism? Is reverse racism real? To continue the discussion join us in our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi and joined by guest co-host Catrice Jackson. The ladies explore the concept of race as a disease and debate whether there are differences between a racist and racist behavior if white folks can move past racism into antiracism and if that should even be a word. Remember to join us on Facebook to continue the discussion: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/about/

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi take some time to break down Nike's 2018 Just Do It Campaign starring Colin Kaepernick. Is Nike now trying to be an ally? Are they taking a stand with Colin? Or is it just a very smart marketing campaign targeting the changing demographics of our country? We'll address all that at more. Remember to join the FaceBook Group to continue the conversation: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi are joined by guest Geraldine DeRuiter, a writer, and speaker who Trudi met at World Domination Summit in June 2018. Geraldine joins the show to explain her awakening to all things race, privilege, and power, and tried to help Trudi and Weeze figure out what to say to get more white folks on board. Remember to join us in the FB Group to continue the discussion: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/ PS: Shout out to Geraldine's mom and husband for helping her Step the all the way up! Thank y'all for doing better!

Did y'all watch the VMA's? Well, our dear friend Madonna showed up and showed out and we have to discuss this. Madonna's outfit leads us to a more important conversation about the difference between cultural appropriation and cultural appreciation. We provide definitions, insights, and, as always, ideas for how to do better. Don't forget to join us in the That's Not How That Works Facebook group for more information, links, and our weekly FB lives: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853

In episode 20 we welcome our first ever guest co-host to join us in a discussion about spiritual coaching, and how it can all go wrong when people use race to divide us. Je Tuan opens up about a recent experience with a coach was took advantage of many people and used race to silence people, divide people, and profit. This is a very important episode. Please join us for the discussion in the That's Not How That Works Facebook Group at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/about/

In this episode, we talk about the journey from Ally to Accomplice. We define performative allyship, and why its a problem, and explore the pathway that someone must travel in order to be in full partnership and support of people of color. Also... our TNHTW's Facebook group is live and open to the public. Here's the link... join us! https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/

In this episode Weeze and Trudi are discussing a word that had been used a lot in the equity and diversity field: emotional labor. We'll discuss what it is, why its a lot of work, and why folks don't want to do it for free. Also, we'll discuss how to protect yourself from doing unwanted emotional labor and how to be restored.

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi discuss what it means when someone says Check Your Privilege. We explore the different types of privilege people hold, what it means to check that privilege, and how it triggers some people when they hear it. We further address some manifestations of white privilege and give some examples of how to use privilege to create equity for marginalized communities (which is really the whole point of our work).

In this episode Weeze and Trudi switch seats and Trudi shares about her experiences about growing up in small cities in Connecticut, never feeling like enough, becoming a teen mom at 15, and creating her own path.

In the spirit of sharing different stories, and being vulnerability this week, we are hearing how Weeze became Work AF (also the title of her site at https://accordingtoweezus.com/). Hear how Weeze went from a little homie in Oakland with strong North African roots to the advocate, coach, and badass that she is today.

Happy Monday! We're just checking in really quick to talk about the difference between vulnerability and sharing parts of yourself. We're also going to announce our plans for the next two episodes (which we are really excited about).

In this episode, we discuss Trudi's experience at World Domination Summit 2018 and lessons that can be learned by listening to the experiences of People of Color who go to these types of events (conferences, masterminds, retreats, etc). We'll share a few things that organizers can do to make their spaces more diverse, and more comfortable for PoC attendees. A special shout-out to the WDS Core Team who have consistently made efforts over the years to create more diversity at their annual event. See you in 2019 :) Good Job Doing Better!

In today's episode, Trudi and Weeze talk about "The Work". We discuss what it means, the phases of the work, why it's important for all people to explore their own identity, privilege and power (yes... including people of color). We also talk about the problem with the word Tribe, and how much we wish folks would stop using it.

In this episode, Trudi and Weeze explore the crisis at the border and the policies that have allowed thousands of children to be taken from their families. As coaches, what is our obligation to be having these discussions both publically, and in our private communities? What if our niche has nothing to do with this "stuff"?

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi discuss BBQ Becky's, who they are, what role they play in the world, how to deal with them, and most importantly HOW TO NOT BE ONE. We also cover how BBQ Becky's show up in the coaching and personal development world. Remember to check us out on Patreon at www.patreon.com/nothowthatworks

In this episode, Trudi and Weeze discuss some of the key principals of coaching and personal development and zoom in on one particularly problematic philosophy and extra violent video that recently was posted on Facebook Live. This is a perfect example of why many coaches and coaching teachings are not welcoming to people of color. See the Facebook video we reference in this video here:https://www.facebook.com/mukka328/videos/1961360503877173/

Allow us to reintroduce ourselves.... In this episode co-hosts from Hey Auntie explain the name change and new direction of the podcast.