The Art of Growth- Enneagram Panels

The Art of Growth- Enneagram Panels

The Art of Growth (formerly the Enneagram Panels Podcast) is dedicated to seeing people end patterns of self sabotage and fulfill their potential. We see the world differently and to get there we need a better understanding of ourselves and those around us. We work to develop wellness patterns for individuals and teams. Find out more or contact us at www.theartofgrowth.org

Joel Hubbard, Suzanne York, and Jim Zartman Society & Culture 87 rész The Art of Growth (formerly the Enneagram Panels Podcast) is dedicated to seeing people end patterns of self sabotage and fulfill their potential. We see the world differently and to get there we need
Enneagram Type 3 Panel talks about RELATIONSHIPS!
88 perc 3. évad 6. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

This season is all about relationships and this panel of Type 3s share their experiences and insights.

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Social 9 Panel
44 perc 87. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

"The Art of Growth" is an organization that does coaching, corporate training, and this podcast. Check out our work and keep in touch at www.theartofgrowth.org to find out more about our work and our Enneagram test as well as our Instincts Test!

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In this episode, we begin the year talking about instincts! We are going to dig into the instincts this year big time. 

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Sexual 9 Panel
49 perc 86. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

"The Art of Growth" is an organization that does coaching, corporate training, and this podcast. Check out our work and keep in touch at www.theartofgrowth.org to find out more about our work and our Enneagram test as well as our Instincts Test!

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In this episode, we begin the year talking about instincts! We are going to dig into the instincts this year big time. 

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Self Preservation 9 Panel
56 perc 85. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

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In this episode, we begin the year talking about instincts! We are going to dig into the instincts this year big time. 

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Social 8 Panel
59 perc 84. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

"The Art of Growth" is an organization that does coaching, corporate training, and this podcast. Check out our work and keep in touch at www.theartofgrowth.org to find out more about our work and our Enneagram test as well as our Instincts Test!

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In this episode, we begin the year talking about instincts! We are going to dig into the instincts this year big time. 

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Sexual 8 Panel
57 perc 83. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

"The Art of Growth" is an organization that does coaching, corporate training, and this podcast. Check out our work and keep in touch at www.theartofgrowth.org to find out more about our work and our Enneagram test as well as our Instincts Test!

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In this episode we begin the year talking about instincts! We are going to dig into the instincts this year big time. 

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Self-Preservation 8 Panel
45 perc 82. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

"The Art of Growth" is an organization that does coaching, corporate training, and this podcast. Check out our work and keep in touch at www.theartofgrowth.org to find out more about our work and our Enneagram test as well as our Instincts Test!

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In this episode we begin the year talking about instincts! We are going to dig into the instincts this year big time. 

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Integrating the Instincts
36 perc 81. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

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Today we talk about your Instinctual Sequence and a little about how to integrate your instincts.

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SUBTYPES
60 perc 80. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

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In this episode we begin the year talking about instincts! We are going to dig into the instincts this year big time. Today we talk about the 27 Enneagram Subtypes based on how the instinct is expressed through the type.

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INSTINCTS!
55 perc 79. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

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The Purpose Trap
43 perc 78. rész Joel Hubbard, Suzanne York, and Jim Zartman

Ever feel the pressure to "find our purpose because only then will you feel fulfilled?" We take on that topic this week. Maybe there is another way to see this.

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Shamed If You Do, Shamed If You Don't
29 perc 77. rész Joel Hubbard, Suzanne York, and Jim Zartman

Well Happy Pandemic Season... Seems like the focus. Clear guidelines aside, covid has made the already difficult-to-navigate holiday season even more complex. That's what we discuss in this episode. 

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Are You Water or Rock?
33 perc 76. rész Joel Hubbard, Suzanne York, and Jim Zartman

Joel, Suzanne, and Jim sit down to talk about how we tend to move through the world. Some of us are more like water as we bend and flow and move around to accommodate. Some of us are more like rock and we stand our ground unmovable in our convictions. We can learn to dance as both. 

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There's An Election This Week- An Unedited Conversation
32 perc 75. rész Joel Hubbard, Suzanne York, and Jim Zartman

Jim Zartman, Suzanne York, and Joel Hubbard sit down to talk about the election this week. This conversation was unedited and includes no promotions, intros, outros, or anything else.

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Type 4 Panel- Engaging the Body, Heart, and Head
57 perc 74. rész Joel Hubbard, Suzanne York, and Jim Zartman

This season each panel will take a "three centers approach" as we talk about how each type engages with their body, heart, and head center of intelligence.

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Type 3 Panel- Engaging the Body, Heart, and Head
62 perc 73. rész Joel Hubbard, Suzanne York, and Jim Zartman

This season each panel will take a "three centers approach" as we talk about how each type engages with their body, heart, and head center of intelligence.

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Type 2 Panel- Engaging the Body, Heart, and Head
71 perc 72. rész Joel Hubbard, Suzanne York, and Jim Zartman

This season each panel will take a "three centers approach" as we talk about how each type engages with their body, heart, and head center of intelligence.

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Type 7 Panel- Engaging the Body, Heart, and Head
63 perc 71. rész Joel Hubbard, Suzanne York, and Jim Zartman

This season each panel will take a "three centers approach" as we talk about how each type engages with their body, heart, and head center of intelligence.

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Type 6 Panel- Engaging the Body, Heart, and Head
59 perc 70. rész Joel Hubbard, Suzanne York, and Jim Zartman

This season each panel will take a "three centers approach" as we talk about how each type engages with their body, heart, and head center of intelligence.

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Type 5 Panel- Engaging the Body, Heart, and Head
67 perc 69. rész Joel Hubbard, Suzanne York, and Jim Zartman

This season each panel will take a "three centers approach" as we talk about how each type engages with their body, heart, and head center of intelligence.

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Type 1 Panel- Engaging the Body, Heart, and Head
53 perc 68. rész Joel Hubbard, Suzanne York, and Jim Zartman

This season each panel will take a "three centers approach" as we talk about how each type engages with their body, heart, and head center of intelligence.

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Type 9 Panel- Engaging the Body, Heart, and Head
57 perc 67. rész Joel Hubbard, Suzanne York, and Jim Zartman

This season each panel will take a "three centers approach" as we talk about how each type engages with their body, heart, and head center of intelligence.

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Type 8 Panel- Engaging the Body, Heart, and Head
83 perc 66. rész Joel Hubbard, Suzanne York, and Jim Zartman

This season each panel will take a "three centers approach" as we talk about how each type engages with their body, heart, and head center of intelligence.

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What's Mine To Own?
52 perc 65. rész Joel Hubbard, Suzanne York, and Jim Zartman

Suzanne, Joel, and Jim sit down to talk about "What's Mine To Own." We feel the internal drive and the external pull toward's what we should do. We talk about how to sort through that.

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Bypassing and the Worthy Distractions
40 perc 64. rész Joel Hubbard, Suzanne York, and Jim Zartman

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Race and Social Awareness
86 perc 63. rész Joel Hubbard, Dr Deborah Egerton, Milton Stewart, Tanisha Dixon,

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OUR PANEL THIS WEEK!

Pastor Tanisha Dixon. Tanisha is a fierce, focused, and strong Black woman. As a pastor, her heart is for mentoring, advocacy, and empowering those around her in Lynn, MA. Find her on IG @pastortanisha

Milton Stewart, MBA is a certified Enneagram and Career Coach. He is the founder of Kaizen Careers, Coaching and Consulting LLC. He is the host of the Do It For The Gram: An Enneagram Podcast as well. When his day is not filled with work in his various businesses he is working to achieve educational equity with STAND for Children and mentoring youth. 

Deborah Threadgill Egerton, Ph.D. is an internationally respected speaker, psychotherapist, Diversity, Equity and Inclusion consultant and coach. She is often described as an unforgettable thought-leader and authentic inspirational spiritual teacher. She has been influential in activating individuals around the world to stand up against racism and all forms of bias and bigotry.  Dr. Egerton is the Founder and President of Trinity Transition Consultants and retains an impressive roster of clients.  She facilitates career growth and personal development with individuals and organizations by focusing her efforts on respecting the uniqueness of every individual and honoring the humanity in us all. Dr. Egerton is an IEA certified Enneagram practitioner and utilizes this personality archetype for introspective self-discovery. Deborah is a Board member of the International Enneagram Association, (IEA). Her work and teaching around the world with the Enneagram facilitates the inner work required for her clients to get “unstuck” and move out of self-defeating negative behavioral patterns. Deborah has taken her work as a social justice advocate to a new level by designing a unique Diversity Equity and Inclusion certification course for consultants, OD and diversity professionals Enneagram teachers, coaches and practitioners. Additionally you can find more information about Dr. Egerton’s DE&I certification and Anti-Racism workshops and webinars at:  www.dr-e-enneagram.com     
Dr. E ‘s  Platinum connection, a positive online space to connect individuals from all parts of the world to celebrate their differences and similarities. theplatinumconnection.com will have the global launch in 10 countries later this year. Deborah hosted a weekly Voice America radio show “Exploring the Enneagram with Dr. E” and her television teaching series on the new TransformationTV platform is launching in September 2020. 

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Feasting, Fasting, and the Lie of Each Type
43 perc 62. rész Joel Hubbard, Jim Zartman, Suzanne York

Today we talk about the Rhythms of development. How to rest and work and when to feast and fast. We talk about the lie of each type and how we try to get our needs met.

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PLAY: Take A Break and Do Something Fun
33 perc 61. rész Joel Hubbard, Jim Zartman, and Suzanne York

Today we talk about one of the most important parts of doing the deep work... taking a break from doing the deep work. In today's episode Suzanne, Joel, and Jim explore play, taking a break, and doing fun things to recharge.

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From Self Awareness to Social Awareness
31 perc 60. rész Joel Hubbard, Jim Zartman, and Suzanne York

We need to develop self awareness and transformational habits to grow but self awareness doesn't go far enough. To transform ourselves and our environments we need to move from self awareness to social awareness. We need to understand how our environment affects us and the effect we have on those around us to be experienced as we want to be and have the impact we want to have.

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Trust- Same Words, Different Meanings
40 perc 59. rész Joel Hubbard, Jim Zartman, and Suzanne York

We use the same words but we hear them differently depending on our Enneagram type. We experience what other people say in radically different ways. This week we continue in a series called "Same Words, Different Meanings" as we discuss a key word in relationships... TRUST.

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Same Words, Different Meanings- Part 1
61 perc 58. rész Joel Hubbard, Jim Zartman, and Suzanne York

We use the same words but we hear them differently depending on our Enneagram type. We experience what other people say in radically different ways. This week we launch into a series called "Same Words, Different Meanings" as we begin to discuss a couple key words in the workplace: Autonomy and Micromanagement. 

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What Each Type Needs On A Team
52 perc 57. rész Joel Hubbard, Jim Zartman, Suzanne York

Joel, Jim, and Suzanne talk about what each enneagram type needs when participating in a team.

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Post Pandemic And The Now
27 perc 56. rész Joel Hubbard, Jim Zartman, and Suzanne York

Recently we've partnered with Suzanne York from Humans Optimized and she recently interviewed us (Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman) for her podcast. We want to share that interview here as well!

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When The Calendar Goes Blank
48 perc 55. rész Joel Hubbard, Jim Zartman, and Suzanne York

What do we do with this time? We don't know how long this will last but we can choose our actions now. Covid19 is changing the game but we can walk well in this space.

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Barbara in Shanghai- A Type 3 Navigates the Coronavirus and Her Business
37 perc 54. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Barbara owns a business in Shanghai called "White Space" which provides group meeting spaces for businesses. The Covid19 virus has put everything on hold. Barbara talks about navigating that crisis and how things are starting to turn. 

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The Enneagram and Teams: When We Bring Each Other Our Best
54 perc 53. rész Suzanne York, Joel Hubbard, and Jim Zartman

We spend a lot of time working together trying to accomplish hard goals with lower relational equity. In this episode we start to explore what it can look like to bring our best to each other in a work environment. 

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The Enneagram and Teams: An Introduction
48 perc 52. rész Joel Hubbard, Jim Zartman, and Suzanne York

We want to take a look at teams and how different types relate. The next few episodes will focus on teams in work environments.

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Gifts of the 5, 6, and 7
41 perc 51. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Often when talking about the Enneagram there is a focus on the shadow side. We want to take some time to focus on what each type brings to their relationships.

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Responding To The Coronavirus
50 perc 50. rész Joel Hubbard, Jim Zartman, and Suzanne York

What do you do when the world around you is stressed? The world is stressed over the Coronavirus. How do we respond? We talk about how to interact when there is so much stress around us.

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Gifts of the 2, 3 and 4
37 perc 49. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Often when talking about the Enneagram there is a focus on the shadow side. We want to take some time to focus on what each type brings to their relationships.

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Gifts of the 8, 9, and 1
37 perc 48. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Often when talking about the Enneagram there is a focus on the shadow side. We want to take some time to focus on what each type brings to their relationships.

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"The Enneagram Panels Podcast" is now "The Art of Growth." Check out our work and keep in touch at www.theartofgrowth.org to find out about Enneagram coaching, corporate training, relationship coaching, and our upcoming online test.

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Where Did The Enneagram Come From?
26 perc 47. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Some are curious about the roots of the Enneagram. Some are concerned. In this episode we go through some hints and data points about the origins of the Enneagram.

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Susan Olesek- The Enneagram Prison Project
51 perc 46. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

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This episode features Susan Olesek!

Susan is the founder of the Enneagram Prison Project and today she explains the mission behind that work as well as what led to it's creation.

Bio on Susan: As empathic as she is dedicated, observant, and incisive, Susan cultivates a safe space for people to be human. Born outside of Boston and schooled in Hong Kong, Tokyo, and England, Susan obtained a sociology degree from Occidental College and is certified by two prestigious Enneagram schools: Palmer-Daniels and Riso-Hudson. A favored Enneagram Specialist among corporations, Susan runs workshops across the United States and in her local practice in Northern California, but it was an opportune invitation to a Texas prison that changed the professional and personal trajectory of her life, forever.

Inspired by the most moving application she’d ever witnessed of something called, “The Enneagram,” — her favorite human-potential tool, Susan founded the Enneagram Prison Project (EPP). Today, EPP is a burgeoning, paradigm-shifting model of self-awareness education for the incarcerated and is spreading rapidly across the globe.

A thought-leader in her field, Susan Olesek is at once visionary and utterly practical in her wholly human application of our capacity to self-assess and grow. In her presence, leaders, individuals and groups — small and very large — opt to take a step towards themselves, because she makes it compelling to do so.

When it comes to the work of developing the human potential, Susan Olesek is a catalyzing, trustworthy force.

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Beatrice Chestnut- Instincts and Subtypes
77 perc 45. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

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This Episode Features Beatrice Chestnut!

One of the most authoritative voices and thought leaders in the modern Enneagram movement, Beatrice Chestnut has been studying and working with the enneagram for 27 years, since she learned about the system from pioneering Enneagram expert, David Daniels, MD.

A licensed psychotherapist, a coach, and a business consultant, she has a Phd in communication and an MA in clinical psychology.

She became active in the international Enneagram community through attending annual conferences regularly in 2002. She served on the board of directors of the International Enneagram Association (IEA) for 6 years and was president of the IEA in 2006 and 2007. 

Beatrice is the author of two books, The Complete Enneagram: 27 Paths to Greater Self-Awareness, and The 9 Types of Leadership: Mastering the Art of People in the 21st-Century Workplace.

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How To Go Home For The Holidays Without Loosing Your Mind
46 perc 44. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Some tips about going home for the holidays and being surrounded by family.

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The Enneagram and Spiral Dynamics with Deborah Ooten
64 perc 43. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Deborah Ooten has been teaching the Enneagram for over 25 years and was the first to pair the Enneagram and Spiral Dynamics. Find out more about her teaching work here. Find out more about Deb's corporate work here.

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When I Want To Grow But They Don't
56 perc 42. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

One question we get consistently is around "What do I do if I'm interested in my own growth, development, and awareness and the people close to me aren't?" Today we look at the different dynamics at work there.

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Neurotheology with Dr. Andrew Newberg
58 perc 41. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Joel and Jim talk to neuroscientist Andrew Newberg about his research in brain imaging people with spiritual experiences and about why he believes enlightenment is possible for all of us.

Andrew B. Newberg, M.D. is currently the Research Director at the Marcus Institute of Integrative Health at Thomas Jefferson University and Hospital in Philadelphia. He is a Professor in the Department of Integrative Medicine and Nutritional Sciences, with a secondary appointment in the Department of Radiology at Thomas Jefferson University. He is Board Certified in Internal Medicine and Nuclear Medicine. He has actively pursued a number of neuroimaging research projects which have included the study of aging and dementia, epilepsy, and other neurological and psychiatric disorders.  Dr. Newberg has been particularly involved in the study of mystical and religious experiences, a field referred to as “neurotheology”. He has published over 200 peer reviewed articles and chapters on brain function, brain imaging, and the study of religious and mystical experiences.  He was listed as one of the 30 Most Influential Neuroscientists Alive Today by the Online Psychology Degree Guide. He is the author of 10 books, published in 16 different languages, including the best selling books, “How God Changes Your Brain” (Ballantine) and, “Why God Won’t Go Away: Brain Science and the Biology of Belief” (Ballantine). 

Check out Dr. Newberg's work at www.andrewnewberg.com

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IQ, EQ, and GQ- with Adele and Doug Calhoun
67 perc 40. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman sit down with Adele and Doug Calhoun to talk about the integration of the three intelligence centers in the Harmony Enneagram.

Link to Adele and Doug's website click here.
Link to Adel and Doug's book via Amazon.

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Why We Enneagram
67 perc 39. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Let's get personal. In this episode Joel and Jim talk about how they got into the Enneagram, why they work with it, and where they are going with it.

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Millennial Panel on The Enneagram
60 perc 38. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

The Millennial generation has a great interest in wellness, personal development, and personality information... especially the Enneagram. This panel of Millennials talk about why they find the Enneagram helpful.

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The Enneagram and Culture
84 perc 37. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

There are cultural overlays that influence our Enneagram Type.  This panel talks about some of those factors.

On this panel:
Zahra Mohamed Ali: Yoga Teacher and Enneagram Coach
Travis Matthews: Enneagram Student and Paralegal in Atlanta
Gabes Torres: Singer/songwriter, racial and post-colonial trauma researcher, speaker, and theologian
Micky ScottBey: speaker, writer, activist, facilitator, pilgrimmage guide, movement chaplain
Milton Stewart: Podcaster, Educator, Education Equity Advocate, Enneagram Coach

Books recommended in this podcast:
Blindspot: Hidden Biases of Good People- Mahzarin R. Banaji
Pedagogy of the Oppressed- Paulo Freire
So You Want to Talk About Race- Ijeoma Oluo
My Grandmother's Hands- Resmaa Menakem
White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism- Robin J. DiAngelo




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Why Do I Know What To Do But Don't Do It? - With Jim Trick
71 perc 36. rész Jim Zartman with Jim Trick

Jim Trick was trapped in a life, body, and mindset from which he thought there was no escape. 

Now sought after speaker, author and executive life coach, Trick has devoted his life to empowering companies, organizations, and individuals to change what’s possible. 

We’ve all heard people say “I know what to do, but I don’t do it.” Jim eradicates that statement and provides a powerful, fresh, effective methodology for change. Because we all deserve to live a life we don’t want to escape from.

 For more information or to find out how you can work one on one with Jim, visit www.jimtrick.com

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Enneagram Type 4 Panel talks about RELATIONSHIPS!
111 perc 35. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

This season is all about relationships and this panel of Type 4s share their experiences and insights.

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Enneagram Type 8 Panel talks about RELATIONSHIPS!
119 perc 34. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

This season is all about relationships and this panel of Type 8s share their experiences and insights.

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Enneagram Type 6 Panel talks about RELATIONSHIPS!
103 perc 33. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

This season is all about relationships and this panel of Type 6s share their experiences and insights.

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Relationship Cycles- Jim and Abby Zartman
48 perc 32. rész Abby Zartman and Jim Zartman

Couples Coaches Jim and Abby Zartman talk about the cycles that happen within a committed relationship.

We all have times of frustration and disillusionment but if we do the work of a relationship we learn to move into acceptance and curiosity which leads to recommitment and gratitude.

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When Jim Met Abby- The Dating Process
57 perc 31. rész Jim Zartman and Abby Zartman

Jim and Abby Zartman talk dating tips through telling their story. We all move through stages as we start a new relationship. We talk through attraction/infatuation, enjoyment/evaluation, and moving toward commitment

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Enneagram Type 1 Panel talks about RELATIONSHIPS!
109 perc 29. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

This season is all about relationships and this panel of Type 1s share their experiences and insights.

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The Anxiety of Joy- with Laura McKowen
79 perc 28. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

What is that anxious voice that interrupts the best moments of life? What actually makes us happier?

Laura McKowen inspires people to say yes to a bigger life after addiction. She’s the author of the forthcoming memoir, We Are The Luckiest: The Surprising Magic of a Sober Life (Dec. 2019), and has been featured on WebMD, The New York Post, Bravo, and the TODAY show. She writes an internationally recognized, award-winning blog, is the host of two Top 100 iTunes podcasts, and leads sold-out retreats and courses focused on sobriety and personal development. www.lauramckowen.com

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Enneagram Type 5 Panel talks about RELATIONSHIPS!
102 perc 27. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

This season is all about relationships and this panel of Type 5s share their experiences and insights.

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MINI- What It's All About... (from each triad's perspective)
23 perc 26. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

A mini episode where Joel and Jim talk about how the triad we are in influences what we hold up as our highest value. We even attempt to "preach" from each of the triads.

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Enneagram Type 2 Panel talks about RELATIONSHIPS!
79 perc 25. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

This season is all about relationships and this panel of Type 2s share their experiences and insights.

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Enneagram Type 9 Panel talks about RELATIONSHIPS!
79 perc 24. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

This season is all about relationships and this panel of Type 9s share their experiences and insights.

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Enneagram Type 7 Panel talks about RELATIONSHIPS!
92 perc 23. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

This season is all about relationships and this panel of Type 7s share their experiences and insights. Check out the work of Laura McKowen here! www.lauramckowen.com and find out more about her upcoming book "We Are The Luckiest."

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RELATIONSHIPS! Season 3 Preview and The Art of Growth
12 perc 22. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Season 3 is all about relationships! We are also changing our name to The Art of Growth.

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Growth for Enneagram Type 7
48 perc 21. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

 Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman sit down with a Panel of 7s to talk about growth.

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Growth for Enneagram Type 6
55 perc 20. rész Joel Hubbard

Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman sit down with a Panel of 6s to talk about growth.

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Growth for Enneagram Type 5
37 perc 19. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Enneagram Coach Joel Hubbard sits down with a Panel of 5s to talk about growth.


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Growth for Enneagram Type 4
44 perc 18. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

A panel of Enneagram 4s talk to Jim Zartman and Joel Hubbard about what growth looks like for them.

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Growth for Enneagram Type 3
48 perc 17. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

A panel of Enneagram 3s talk to coach Joel Hubbard about what growth looks like for them.

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Growth For Enneagram Type 2
41 perc 16. rész Joel Hubbard

This season we are focusing on how each type grows and this week is Type 2.

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Growth for Enneagram Type 1
36 perc 15. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

This season we are focusing on how each type grows and this week is Type 1.


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Growth for Enneagram Type 9
55 perc 14. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Panel of Enneagram Type 9s talking about what growth looks like for them. Join our "Enneagram Panels Podcast" Facebook page.

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Growth for Enneagram Type 8
62 perc 13. rész Joel Hubbard & Jim Zartman

We set up season 2 with some key tools to working with the enneagram before proceeding with the panel about Growth for the Type 8. Join our "Enneagram Panels Podcast" Facebook page.

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Spiral Dynamics and the Enneagram Part 2 (Bonus)
58 perc 12. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

The Enneagram Panels Podcast is coming back for a second season but we are taking a detour on these two bonus episodes to talk about the overlap of Spiral Dynamics with the Enneagram.

Also we have a Facebook Page!

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Spiral Dynamics and the Enneagram Part 1 (Bonus)
56 perc 11. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

The Enneagram Panels Podcast is coming back for a second season but we are taking a detour on these two bonus episodes to talk about the overlap of Spiral Dynamics with the Enneagram.

Also we have a Facebook Page!

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Episode 10: Enneagram Type 7 Panel
59 perc 10. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

In this season finale Jim Zartman interviews Enneagram coach Joel Hubbard on what it's been like to personally discover his enneagram type as a 7 and then Joel interviews a panel of other type 7s. Come chat with us on our facebook page!

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Episode 9: Enneagram Type 6 Panel
49 perc 9. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Enneagram coach Joel Hubbard interviews a panel of Enneagram type 6s. Join our "Enneagram Panels Podcast" Facebook page.

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Episode 8: Enneagram Type 5 Panel
47 perc 8. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Enneagram coach Joel Hubbard interviews a panel of Enneagram Type 5s. Join our "Enneagram Panels Podcast" Facebook page.

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Episode 7: Enneagram Type 4 Panel
48 perc 7. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Enneagram coach Joel Hubbard interviews a panel of Enneagram type 4s. Join our "Enneagram Panels Podcast" Facebook page.

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Episode 6: Enneagram Type 3 Panel
48 perc 6. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Enneagram coach Joel Hubbard sits down with a panel of Enneagram 3s to talk about the need for success and the other motivations that drive them. Join our "Enneagram Panels Podcast" Facebook page.

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Episode 5: Enneagram Type 2 Panel
49 perc 5. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Enneagram Coach Joel Hubbard sits down with a group of Enneagram 2s to talk about their growing self awareness.

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Episode 4: Enneagram Type 1 Panel
49 perc 4. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Joel Hubbard interviews a panel of Enneagram Type 1s. The Enneagram is an incredible tool for self-awareness and empathy.

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Episode 1: Enneagram Overview and Season Introduction
38 perc 3. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

This is the first episode where we lay the foundation by giving an overview of the Enneagram for those who may not be familiar with it. This sets the groundwork before we go in hearing from each of the nine panels this season.

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Episode 3: Enneagram Type 9 Panel
50 perc 2. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Joel Interviews a panel of four type 9s on the Enneagram. Here from the type nine on what it's like to be them. Join our Facebook Page! Join our "Enneagram Panels Podcast" Facebook page.

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Episode 2: Enneagram Type 8 Panel
55 perc 1. rész Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

Joel Hubbard interviews a panel of three Enneagram type 8s. Podcast host Jim Zartman is joined by Alison (Angel) and Natasha.

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