Brothers of the Serpent

Tony joins us this week to revisit the topic of Atlantis. This time we look at the details of the city and civilization itself, and the many possible places and times people have theorized it may have existed. Was it an antediluvian civilization, or might it have existed much more recently, in the bronze age? Was it somewhere in the Atlantic ocean, or in another body of water? We look at Morocco, Malta, Richat, Azores, Bolivia, and many other places.

Possibly, as with so many of these ancient mysteries, we will never really know.

We are joined in-studio once again by Marty Garza to continue our discussion on the topic of UFOs, aliens, extraterrestrials, spiritual/interdimensional beings, and the incredibly varied and strange nature of this phenomenon.

As usual, Marty has done a ton of research and prepared copious notes for the show, and he guides us through multiple encounter stories from the military and civilians. For a while we focus on "USO" reports, or Unidentified Submerged Objects, also known as "Trans-medium vehicles", as they seem to operate as well in the water as out of it.

We look at some of the stranger aspects of "Skinwalker Ranch", and how the phenomena there seemed to range from entity sightings, to UFOs, flying orbs, cattle mutilations, voices, ghosts, and "demons".

Marty then takes the show in an interesting direction, looking at Gnostic, Hermetic, and old Christian considerations of "daimons" as beings both physical and non-physical, good and evil, existing at the periphery of perception.

We wrap up the discussion with talk about what the possible limits are, if any, to "technological advancement", as well as the breadth of possible configurations of life in the universe, and/or in "other universes" that may touch ours in certain ways, or perhaps in certain places....places that have been considered "sacred" since before recorded history.

In this episode Russ gives a presentation, with slides, about the standard model processes that take place in stars to generate elements, how that process eventually results in novas and supernovas, and how supernovas and other similar very high energy events generate cosmic rays. When these cosmic rays hit earth, they result in "cosmogenic nuclides" like the radioactive Carbon 14 that is so often used to date material in archaeological settings.

We also run through a short list of the most often used dating techniques, how they work, what the problems are, what the ranges are, and what the margins of error are. We also look at the various assumptions and methods and theory behind these techniques.

As this was a slide show presentation, it may help to watch the video, so look for that on our youtube channel.

This is our final episode for 2020, and we streamed it live to the Discord, which is always fun. The Watcher was there, plus a lot of the Discord Snakeforce, trolling us non-stop in the chats while we recorded the episode.

We had a lot of listener emails backed up, plus we had a "stack of stuff" that we hadn't yet gotten to on the show, so for this episode we go through all the emails and respond to them, plus we read some articles on possible alien signals being detected, the sun may be actually about to enter into a really powerful new solar cycle rather than a weak one, and a jeweler who uses ultrasonic tools that leave very similar marks on the stones he works, as what is often seen in Egypt, Peru, and other places with mysterious ancient stonework.

In the last segment, Kyle talks about his renewed interest in the "search for dark matter" being undertaken by standard model physicists, what he is learning, what he hopes to learn, and what he thinks so far about what he is discovering. Dark matter, and dark energy, may be part of a resonant effect that permeates the entirety of the observable universe.

See you all in 2021!

George Howard joins us once again on the show, this time to talk about his recent trip to Egypt with Ben from UnchartedX. We talk with George about his impressions of the pyramids, the Sphinx, the Valley Temple, the Osireion, the Bent Pyramid, the unfinished obelisk, the Temple of Hathor, and of course, the Serapeum and the enigmatic stone boxes inside it. George tells us about the somewhat harrowing experience of descending over a hundred feet into a narrow shaft to see other granite boxes beneath the Giza plateau. We talk about George's overall impressions of the constructions he saw, and about the possibility of some of the objects being "precursor" artifacts, surround by later dynastic constructions.

George has posted about the trip on his excellent blog, The Cosmic Tusk.

He has also posted a collection of over 500 images from the trip.

Aside from the conversation with George, we also open a bunch of 1-up boxes (it was like Christmas in the Tangent Cube), and we read articles about the re-discovered Dixon artifact from the Great Pyramid, papers showing that Issac Newton believed the pyramid contained ancient secrets about the Earth and the apocalypse, and that the modern Venus is like ancient Earth while modern Earth is like ancient Venus.

Also, we got our TeePublic account upgrade, so be sure to visit our TeePublic storefront to get yourself some sweet SnakeBros merchandise!

This week we are joined again by Laird Scranton to talk about The Velikovsky Heresies, as a follow up to our deep dive on that book.  We talk through many of the questions we developed during the course of the deep dive series, such as the problem of calendar changes and how some cultures made changes to their calendars long after the 7th century BC. We talk about the ancient Chinese and Korean records of astronomical observations that don't seem to match up with current solar system models. We talk about the Dogon and their traditions that correspond to ancient Egypt and their calendars.

We also take some time to ask Laird some questions that listeners posted in the Discord, about a wide range of subjects that leads in many interesting directions.

We are joined this week by Seriah Azkath, from the Where Did the Road Go podcast, to talk about an idea he's been working on for a while now. We discuss poltergeist activity, bigfoot, UFOs, time loops, ghosts, EVP, Point Pleasant and the Mothman, Men in Black, Near Death Experiences, parapsychology and ESP abilities, and retrocausality, and how all of these might in some way be either part of the same phenomena, or be multiple phenomena resulting from the same underlying cause.

A big part of this is Seriah's point that many of these seemingly disparate types of events have similar features;  for example, the kinds of things that people call "poltergeists" when they happen in a house, are attributed to sasquatch when they happen in the wilderness. A glowing light floating around in an abandoned building is a "ghost", while a glowing light in the sky is a "UFO".

Retrocausality is a big part of the function of the Mechanism that Seriah is proposing....that events in the future can have an effect on the present, through the medium of consciousness. We discuss how this has been demonstrated multiple times in different studies, and how this might tie together a lot of incidents that are attributed to different types of experiences.

We are joined once again by Snakeforce member Tony Petrangelo to continue discussing the topic of Plato's Atlantis, and whether this story could have possibly been referring to the time period of the bronze age collapse and the invasion of Egypt by the mysterious "Sea People".

Tony leads us through the complexities of bronze age civilizations in the Mediterranean, looking at clay tablets of letters being written from one king to another describing the state of their kingdoms and the problems they were facing.  We also look at the description of the invasion and defeat of the Sea People in Egypt, how they were described, and what they were called, and where they may have been from.

In the end, what Tony is showing us are the correlations to these events and some of the details given by Plato. He doesn't have a "location" of Atlantis, or an idea of "who" the "Atlanteans" were. Rather, he is looking at the evidence to see if this may have been the time period for the events described by Plato.

Here is a list of the sources Tony used for this episode:

Books

Meet me in Atlantis by Mark Adams

Sunken Kingdom by Peter James

1177 BC by Eric Cline

Sea Peoples of the Bronze Age Mediterranean c.1400 BC–1000 BC by Andrea Salimbeti & Raffaele D’Amato

Seagoing Ships & Seamanship in the Bronze Age Levant by Shelley Wachsmann

Exodus to Arthur by Mike Baillie


Papers

Literary History in the Parian Marble by Andrea Rotstein

A Mycenaean Fountain on the Athenian Acropolis by Oscar Broneer

Athens in the Late Bronze Age by Oscar Broneer

Landscape Changes around Tiryns during the Bronze Age by Eberhard Zangger

The Great Karnak Inscription of Merneptah: Grand Strategy in the 13th Century B.C. by Colleen Manassa Darnell

Libyan Trade and Society on the Eve of the Invasions of Egypt by Seth Richardson

The Role of the Lukka People in Late Bronze Age Anatolia by Trevor Bryce

The Ethnicity of the Sea Peoples by Frederik Christiaan Woudhuizen

Connected Histories: the Dynamics of Bronze Age Interaction and Trade 1500–1100 bc by Kristian Kristiansen & Paulina Suchowska-Ducke

New technologies and transformations in the European Bronze Age: the case of Naue II swords by Paulina Suchowska-Ducke

Marty Garza returns yet again to continue our deep dive into the subject of UFOs. This time we focus specifically on accounts centering around WWII. For the first two segments, Marty recounts many sightings of anomalous objects seen in the sky in the Americas and Europe from the 1930s through the 1950s, especially during the period of the war, and how these objects were reported.

In the second half of the show, we look at the evidence of Nazi secret technologies, what the Axis powers thought of the many anomalous sightings, and what tech the Nazis may have had that could have accounted for(or couldn't account for), the sightings of these objects.

This is the final part of our deep dive into Laird Scranton's The Velikovsky Heresies. For this final part we look at more evidence of ancient astronomers apparently seeing Venus in strange places or in ways that do not match current models. We read about Venus' apparently young surface, thin lithosphere that consists of one single "tectonic plate", its active vulcanism, and evidence of upper atmospheric lightning. We read about Venus having a very rare chemical in its atmosphere that is usually only found associated with cometary bodies.

The book wraps up with a concise list of interesting points that seem to indicate that modern scientific discoveries do sometimes support some of Velikovsky's predictions, and whether this means all of his ideas were right or not is still a matter up for debate.

Thanks to Henry Hablak for the awesome show art!

After returning from our trip through Arizona and Utah with Randall and Brad, we come back to the Tangent Cube at the end of the week for the next installment of our deep dive into The Velikovsky Heresies by Laird Scranton.

This episode we talk a lot about magnetism, remnant magnetism in lunar rocks, and calendar changes made by multiple ancient civilizations all around the same time. We talk about immense climate changes that accompanied the sudden change from a 360 day calendar year to a 365 day calendar year.

We also read about problems with various types of radioactive decay dating techniques, and how without knowing the exact amount of certain materials that existed in rock at the time of its formation, these techniques cannot give accurate dates, even assuming that the radioactive decay rate is a constant.

Much thanks to our friends over at Inner Traditions for allowing us to read large excerpts from one of their publications. Make sure to visit their online store and purchase a copy of The Velikovsky Heresies for yourself, or you can get it from Amazon.

Thanks to Henry Hablak for the awesome show art!

 Here's the roadsode. We talk about the Arizona/Utah trip with Randall. More to come soon!

We're going to bed now.

Enjoy!

For part two of our deep dive into The Velikovsky Heresies by Laird Scranton, we talk about the mechanics of the solar system, of circular orbits, of retrograde motion. We talk about the "n-body problem" of physics and how the motions of all the bodies in the solar system is, over the long term, an exercise in chaos mathematics.

We read about how Velikovsky was in communication with Einstein before his death, and that Einstein was skeptical at first but was impressed when one of Velikovsky's predictions proved to be accurate. We read about ancient records comparing Venus to comets and supernova that were visible in the daytime, and about the strange properties of the core of Jupiter.

Much thanks to our friends over at Inner Traditions for allowing us to read large excerpts from one of their publications. Make sure to visit their online store and purchase a copy of The Velikovsky Heresies for yourself, or you can get it from Amazon.

Thanks to Henry Hablak for the awesome show art!

Kyle was out of town for most of this week so this show was late, but on Friday night we finally managed to get in the Tangent Cube and record it. We're staring a new SnakeBros book report, this one on Laird Scranton's excellent book The Velikovsky Heresies.

On this episode we cover Laird's intro to the book and the first few chapters, discussing the controversy that Velikovsky's work caused, and Laird's purpose in writing the book, which was to see if Velikovsky's ideas hold up to modern science and the enormous amount of new understanding we have gathered about our solar system since the writing Velikovsky's works.

Much thanks to our friends over at Inner Traditions for allowing us to read large excerpts from one of their publications. Make sure to visit their online store and purchase a copy of The Velikovsky Heresies for yourself, or you can get it from Amazon.

Thanks to Henry Hablak for the awesome show art!

This week we are joined once again by Bob Johnson for the first hour of the show to talk about his experiences in Egypt and Saudi Arabia as a geologist, this time in the context of the subject of the story of Exodus. Bob directed us to watch a short documentary detailing a possible "alternate route" to the legendary Mount Sinai, the Mountain of Moses.

That mountain is commonly thought to be in the Sinai peninsula, but the documentary shows that it may actually be in Saudi Arabia, on the eastern side of the Gulf of Aqaba. There are many features and places besides the mountain itself that seem to match up with the story told in Exodus, lending credence to this possibility.

Bob spent decades working in this area and knows the geology very well, so as we go through the evidence for this alternate possibility, he gives his own thoughts on the pros and cons of the concept.

There is a lot of map work in this part of the show, so we did record some video of Bob pointing to places on the map for the first hour, which you can see if you go to our Youtube channel. Below are links to the documentary itself and a few screenshots of the maps of the area.

The Red Sea

Gulf of Suez(left) and Gulf of Aqaba(right) on the north end of the Red  Sea

Gulf of Aqaba

Nuweibaa Delta in the Gulf of Aqaba

Straits of Tiran on the southern end of the Gulf of Aqaba

"Split Rock" geological feature in Saudi Arabia

This week we are joined by another SnakeForce guest, Tony Petrangelo. Tony is an active member in the Discord and has been heavily researching Plato, Socrates, the Mediterranean Bronze Age civilizations, and Atlantis.

We asked Tony to come on the show and talk to us about his research and his take on the Timaeus dialogue. He gives an excellent presentation, taking us through select parts of the text, providing context, opinions of academics, Neo-Platonics, and other researchers, along with his own particular take on what Plato may be talking about. This is excellent information for anyone interested in the concept of Atlantis.

See more of Tony's research on Atlantis at his website, https://atlantis.fyi/

Below are some links Tony sent for anyone wishing to do further research:

 Marty Garza returns to the Tangent Cube for a second round of discussion on the topic of UFOs, alien abductions, and the history of this subject in modern times. Last time, we mostly discussed governmental responses to the phenomena. This week, Marty takes us through a few select cases, one of which lead to an extremely widespread and very detailed study of thousands of cases from people all over the world. Marty gives some of the information resulting from this study, and in many cases the information is very different from the picture of the phenomena that has been painted by media, movies, and documentaries.

We end the show with some discussion of the possibility that old Biblical texts may, in some cases, be depicting more of this kind of phenomena as well.

 This week we are joined by Ed Nightingale to discuss his extensive work on the layout of the Giza monuments. Ed has uncovered a "master plan", a kind of architectural mathematical layout of the Giza plateau that incorporates sacred geometry and encodes precessional numbers and universal constants like pi, phi, and the speed of light.

The concepts themselves are relatively simple geometric processes, but they are difficult to explain using only words, so Ed shows us some slides during the show. These slides will be available in the YouTube version of the show, we encourage you all to watch it!

We will be having Ed on in future shows to get more into the material, as this show was mostly an overview of the process and a quick look at some of the geometry.

Ed's website: The Giza Template

Get Ed's book from Amazon: The Giza Template

This is a special bonus episode (bonusode) for us to catch up on listener emails, news stories, and other things that have been piling up recently. We also streamed the recording of this episode live to the Discord chat, if you missed it, sign up and join so you can be there next time we stream live!

This week we are joined by Adam and Serfiel, hosts of the Conspirinormal podcast, for a long-form round-table discussion of everything from cryptids to conspiracies to the Custodians of the Gods of Eden.

We also take a few minutes in the middle of the show to discuss their upcoming Strange Realities Conference, a digital conference they are hosting at the end of the year with some excellent guests giving talks on fascinating topics.

With all the UFO stuff in the news recently, we've been thinking we need to do an episode dedicated to the topic. So this week we are joined in-studio by Marty Garza, a former MUFON investigator with decades of interest and research in the subject of UFOs.

We invited Marty to come spend a day with us.  We hung out, drank beers and talked about UFOs. Then we got in the studio and recorded an episode on the subject. Marty brought a stack of books with him and had copious notes, and we could tell half way through recording this episode that it was going to have to be a multi-part deep dive. So there will be future UFO episodes with Marty until we finish going through all of his notes.

This week, the topic mostly centers on the beginning of the "modern" era of UFO sightings starting after WW2, and the government response to the phenomena.

(Marty also happens to be a member of the championship winning monster truck team "Overkill Evolution". Sadly, he did not pull up to the tangent cube in the actual monster truck. Next time, maybe.)

This week we speak with Linda Zimmermann, author of Mysterious Stone Sites, about the stone effigies, dolmen, balanced rocks, and chambers of the Hudson Valley area. Linda has done extensive research on the archeo-astronomy of the chambers, walls, and other strange stone features found in the northeastern United States, and she shares a wealth of information and experiences with us, detailing her efforts to travel to various sites during solstices and equinoxes to witness for herself the celestial alignments.

At the end of the show she also gives us a quick rundown of the many interesting UFO cases in the Hudson Valley area, and relates one of her own experiences with a strange object in the sky.

Find more about Linda and her extensive work in many areas of mystery at her website.

North Salem Balanced Rock

Glacial Chatter Marks

We talk with Glenn Kreisberg, author of Spirits in Stone, about the many megaliths, dolmens, standing stones, and stone effigy sites in the northeastern U.S.

Although there are undoubtedly many colonial artifacts like stone piles and stone border walls throughout the northeastern United States, Glenn describes how some of these sites display celestial and internal alignments that make them unlikely to be the constructions of farmers clearing land and marking borders. He also gives several ways of trying to determine if one is looking at a "colonial" construction, or something much more ancient and interesting.

We also briefly discuss some of his work on Malta, and the seemingly anomalous acoustical properties of the Hypogeum.

You can find Glenn's book at the link above, and follow his work at his website, overlookmountain.org.

This episode's show art was made by Henry Hablak. Check out his website and follow him on instagram.

Brothers of the Serpent Episode 160

Art by Henry Hablak